According to Wikipedia, revision of the 常用漢字 (Jōyō kanji) was first proposed . The jouyou kanji list is the sum of all the characters taught in. I already answered a similar question in another thread, so I will post it again here. The answer is quite long, however be sure to read through all of it, as it. Overview lists just contain the kanji without any additional information. The detailed Lists contain all the Information you need for studying and writing your own.

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I agree completely with what you say, taekk. Now I know why the decorative windows in Korean restaurants look so damned Asian. Which grades get which new characters I wonder…. They learn it based on what their textbooks and learning materials decide is relevant.

I aknji its a handy and rather well structured list when u think about how vast and messy the giant pot of all kanji can be. They should be doing it every year.

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To tell you which kanji to learn? I remember being discouraged and distracted by the joyo list as a student of Japanese. I guess it would be useful if you were a biologist or chemist….

The list is not a comprehensive list of all characters and readings in regular use; rather, it is intended as a literacy baseline for those who have completed compulsory education, as well as a list of permitted characters and readings for use in official government documents. Japanese punctuation Iteration mark. No one ever jouyuo any limits on novels and magazines and other publications if I recall correctly except maybe encouraging them to use furigana for hard kanji.

The NEW 常用漢字 and why we shouldn’t give a damn

I learned kanji well, at least of them so far through the book by Henshall, which, yes, is based on the jouyou list. In the past, I learned grade 1, then grade 2, then grade 3 Jouyou kanji. The list does serve a useful purpose for foreigners learning the language too. It was recognition of how crazy their writing system is and it did something to increase comprehension. What I think would be much more useful is an analysis of a large collection of works and solid statistical data on the frequency of each kanji.


Right now im at just below jouyou kanji, without this list id have utterly no idea as to how many i know, and for that i am grateful. Retrieved 25 October Typographic symbols Japanese punctuation Iteration mark. Neither have I and I doubt I will ever see kanui and a bunch of others in the list in real life. I never looked at the uouyou as something to learn from by memorizing all the kanji from 1 to or whatever it is.

Another reason to ignore the list. And it helps a lot for the publishing companies or writers to know what to add furigana to and what to leave alone. In the age of universal education, kanji using countries have the same levels of literacy as alphabet using countries.

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I totally agree with you. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. I think their motives are well founded. I think the point was that a lot of kanji included in Joyo are there because of their frequency in names. That makes perfect sense, right?! You have to look at what their criteria were and judge those criteria, not the end result. What they are doing is tinkering around the edges to make the best of a difficult situation.

So I stopped learning from it. In Chinese, it is used for a lot of things. Every word that is forced into obscurity just because it includes a kanji that is not on the jouyou list is a loss for the Japanese language.


This page was last edited on 4 Decemberat Syllabograms Furigana Okurigana Braille. Too smart, in my book. The main thing that it did benefit me in was in learning new vocabulary. Here are lists list of kanji by frequency in both novels and in Wikipedia listings. You can find the analysis at this site http: The list burned me personally when I bought my first kanji dictionary. But the most important thing to note is that the number of Kanji is irrelevant! Vuredel I think the indignation comes from how ridiculously bad the list is and the fact that it affects us all who are learning Japanese negatively to some degree.

Discussion from pretty long ago.

Seriously, 29 years is too long in revising the list. Due to my limited exposure to Biology in Japanese, I have to admit I have never seen this word before. You have to pick the sentence with the word that uses the same kanji as the question.

Raichu The literacy argument is no longer valid. Table of Simplified Characters.

So what if there are a small number of imperfections if the bulk jouhou the work is sound? Webarchive template wayback links CS1 Japanese-language sources ja All articles with dead external links Articles with dead external links from Jiuyou Articles with permanently dead external links Articles containing Japanese-language text Wikipedia articles with NDL identifiers.

What kind of crap list were we using all these years? Japanese writing Components Kanji. Kanji documents Japanese writing system.

Even if you completely ignore it, it still affects the educational materials that end up in our laps.